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not that i know of, but thats what people seem to want, and they'd prefer it "native" i guess. altough nowadays one could just make a custom pattern editor for a peer, would work good.


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It would be nice if the automation could be delay compensated for the soundcards buffer latency size. (renoise and logic does this, ableton live doesn't) most programs have plugin delay compensation , but some like ableton don't also compensate the latency on drawn automation ...which makes all your automation curves out of sync if you ever change the buffer size. It becomes a total pain in the ass for anyone who writes music with lots of tight automation and edits.


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right but I'm talking about the drawn automation itself being delay compensated...not the output of the machines. would that still work? I understand Buzz and other music programs have machine delay compensation, but some don't also take into account the drawn automation when fixing the latency...so all the envelopes end up being off by however many samples/milliseconds the buffer is set to...and even more problems when you have a high latency plugin in the chain before the machine being automated. Ableton Live still has this problem and people have complained about it for years, but Renoise does this properly.


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This post in the Ableton forum describes the problem I'm talking about pretty well....and has a few pictures to help illustrate, I'm not the best at explaining these things in text. I could probably do it all manually but it kind defeats the purpose of having any delay compensation at all...and then if you ever change the soundcard buffer or add a high latency plugin to the chain you have to go in and manually change everything again...everything would also have to be changed if I open the project on another computer with different latency settings.


http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=129443


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samplerate won't be an issue in buzz, you just do it on the subtick.

latency dependance, now thats batshit insane, i dunno what they do to fuck it up that much, no idea why SOUNDCARD latency should even come into play with automations. maybe midi, but then they are just poor and syncing midi events to audio....


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I'm honestly not sure if this problem exists with the current automation, I've never been able to get a clear answer from a dev and haven't tested buzz too much to find out, I don't like the ctrl+g envelopes so I mainly use absynths built-in envelopes since they have bezier curves..my posts were just to make sure this problem wasn't introduced with the new style of automation. I'm starting to think that because it would be tick based that latency wouldn't be an issue at all though...atleast I hope. Sorry If I caused any confusion!


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this problem does not exist in buzz if you code everything correct. not even for midi if you use midi synced drivers (like pasio).
what will happen for simple control changes is that sending a controlchangeimmediate will apply on the "next" subtick.


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Bump failed.

Those who have the time and energy to code this don't know how.
Those who know how to code this don't have the time or energy.

PS: I have nothing to add to this apart from my previous mock-up screenshot with the curves on the F4 page.


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I don't know if it's possible to do this like in Joachip's screenshot in the sequence view. It could be quite easy to do in pattern view however. I have programmed an envelope track for my own sequencer, I could try to port this to Buzz.


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Oh yeah, that's huge!
Try to add this to sequence view, i believe in you ;)


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