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Author:  Future Genetics [ Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:57 am ]
Post subject:  New Pattern Editor - Rows Per Beat

Is there a way to set rows per beat in the new pattern editor yet?

Author:  oskari [ Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Pattern Editor - Rows Per Beat

Ctrl+number but it's not in the current build. Each column/beat can have a different RPB value in the new editor.

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Author:  mantratronic [ Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:09 am ]
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:lol:

Author:  Dean [ Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:16 am ]
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very interesting, are these labels a way to try to attract the "common folks"?
As most buzzers must be already used to not seeing these labels, acting on instinct to survive in a world of digits...
As long as us folks from past can hide them, it's good.

I remember reading on buzzchurch (this was a long time ago, but I think it concerns this new pattern editor) that the new pattern editor would also support future triggers to change the past (a kind of "inverted delay" command).
Honestly, I don't remember how it was described, but there was going to be a way to put triggers into a pattern which trigger ahead the actual trigger (am I right)?

I also would like to propose that the TPB or BPM (not RPB) of a track can be recalled and changed independently in each track through a(n optional) pxp column (which will
overrun the main global BPM setting, if used), as this makes it much easier to do "swing"-type grooves.
I understand that now the speed of columns are the same, just different time signatures (slices of time to put trigger into),
but I hope what I suggest is not an impossible task.
Sometimes as of current buzz, I wish there was a way to use different RPB "per 4 ticks" or something (also a way to do swing arrangements),
maybe this desire can make you understand what I write more.

Author:  Future Genetics [ Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:54 pm ]
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Awesome. I think that and a ctrl+g graphic slider type option are probably the only things holding me back from switching over from pxp at this point. All in all it's coming along nicely though.

Author:  oskari [ Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:57 pm ]
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You understand this is very much related to ctrl+g of course.

Author:  Future Genetics [ Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:37 pm ]
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oskari wrote:
You understand this is very much related to ctrl+g of course.


Hmm, I guess no, I don't really understand from a technical standpoint why the 2 are related. I just know I like using the ctrl+g feature in pxp to draw volume and filter envelopes. If you've got something even trickier up your sleeve to replace that function, I'd be really excited to see that.

Author:  Future Genetics [ Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:40 pm ]
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Future Genetics wrote:
oskari wrote:
You understand this is very much related to ctrl+g of course.


Hmm, I guess no, I don't really understand from a technical standpoint why the 2 are related. I just know I like using the ctrl+g feature in pxp to draw volume and filter envelopes. If you've got something even trickier up your sleeve to replace that function, I'd be really excited to see that.


Unless you just mean the ability to have higher fidelity "slides" by increasing the row count.

Author:  ekral [ Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:04 pm ]
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the new pattern editor (and new dark theme) looks incredible good :)

Author:  IXix [ Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:06 pm ]
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Future Genetics wrote:
Unless you just mean the ability to have higher fidelity "slides" by increasing the row count.

That's what he means. Smoother curves for ctrl+g when it comes :)

Author:  ekral [ Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:17 pm ]
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The new Pattern Editors (and new dark theme) looks just incredible good. Is there any chance to have a envelope column (something like in buzé). It could be nice for fast (and long) interpolation.

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This would be per-pattern, I reckon. I wonder how much trouble it would be to have curves like that across many patterns instead on the song composition view (the one you get by pressing F4) ... like this?

Author:  oskari [ Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:59 am ]
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Yes, the plan is to support at least straight lines and quadratic Bezier curves.

Author:  IXix [ Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:08 pm ]
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oskari wrote:
Yes, the plan is to support at least straight lines and quadratic Bezier curves.

:shock: I'm so happy I could cry.

Author:  AndersBrontosaurus [ Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:11 pm ]
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oskari wrote:
Yes, the plan is to support at least straight lines and quadratic Bezier curves.


Is this, without me knowing, implemented or still on the ToDo list?

Author:  AndersBrontosaurus [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:12 pm ]
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Bump?

Author:  Joachip [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:46 pm ]
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The new Pattern Editors (and new dark theme) looks just incredible good. Is there any chance to have a envelope column (something like in buzé). It could be nice for fast (and long) interpolation.

Image = Image=Image

This would be per-pattern, I reckon. I wonder how much trouble it would be to have curves like that across many patterns instead on the song composition view (the one you get by pressing F4) ... like this? I think this would be far more useful, especially for working with longer song build-ups.

Think of ambient songs... or slow filter movements across a long trance sort which would typically 16 tick patterns, but automations spanning over several minutes.

Author:  mcbpete [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:03 am ]
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Joachip wrote:
Think of ambient songs... or slow filter movements across a long trance sort which would typically 16 tick patterns, but automations spanning over several minutes.
That's actually been one of the major workflow improvements for me since making the 'switch' to Ableton - Being able to create automation curves over the whole song structure but not having to create loads and loads of 1000+ tick patterns to do so has just been a great revelation. As I mainly do ambient/drone stuff that's made life soooo much easier !

Author:  AndersBrontosaurus [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:24 am ]
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This has gone very off topic. I'll bump another thread that is more related.
Or use the link provided by Joachip above.


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=222

Author:  AndersBrontosaurus [ Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Pattern Editor - Rows Per Beat

I fail to get the different RPB-thingie.
How is it done?

Author:  magmavander [ Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Pattern Editor - Rows Per Beat

Of course in the pattern view (built-in or PatternXP) you have first to make ctrl+Q.
Click on the column in the beat you want to change (here I clicked on note columns at the first of the four beat but you can click on any column you want) see picture "RPB Change 00.jpg".
Then use ctrl + number (keyboard-shortcut.jpg) to choose the new number of rows per beat see picture RPB Change 01.jpg.
That it ;)

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