Matilde tracker, as vsti, theoretically possible?

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Matilde tracker, as vsti, theoretically possible?

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Wondering if it is theoretically possible to make a vsti version of Matilde tracker? It's source* is known anyway.
It could work as follows. Drag and drop samples onto it, they are auto-sorted alphabetically, you can reorder them, if you want. So each sample content and its number is available to the plugin.

This plugin could be even interfaceless, so any other editor could use it by sending some signals to this plugin, not sure how this could be done, OSC maybe?

Summary:
- First half of this plugin would be interfaceless, drag and drop your samples into it, in the background all matilde effects are supported. Now we need its second half, getting its input lines or commands or signals.
- Second half could be any editor, having the typical tracker interface, like protracker, sending its line data, after each line, meaning in real-time, as osc events, to this plugin.

What do you think of the general concept or idea? Just to know it this would be theoretically possible? This could have many advantages. The first half and second half, both, could be independently developed and improved, plus of course bringing the tracker fun, using samples with protracker commands, directly into the heart of any DAW, like Reaper. Reaper has for example hackey trackey, hackey patterns, hackey machines already, as lua plugins. However this is just for midi editing. All the protracker sample effects are not available there. Another variant of such a lua plugin could just send the osc events, if there would be a first half vsti matilde tracker plugin, as described above. Thanks for reading.

* https://sourceforge.net/projects/matilde-tracker/
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Yes, but this is too far away from buzz workflow. hackey trackey lua plugin for Reaper is actually perfect, only there is no Matilde tracker like sampler which could be triggered with it.
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For me a fusion of Matilde and Fuzzpilz Inp would be great.

A granular mutitrack sample player with access to the wavetable.
Aah, a multiout would we nice, too.
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I coded a buzz shell vst for private use, works also fine with matilde and unwieldy. I could ask Oskari about this to release it officially(however I doubt Oskari would allow this one).

https://xlutop.com/buzz/buzz.png
https://xlutop.com/buzz/renoise.png
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Holy crap, if I could get even just Matilde as a VSTi that would be unreal. I have reViSiT (an IT2 clone as a VSTi) but I came from the FastTracker school of tracking and so Matilde was the perfect stepping stone ...
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No problem, thanks for answering, it looks great, at least we know now, it is theoretically and practically possible. Maybe someone can recreate it in future.
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polac wrote:I coded a buzz shell vst for private use, works also fine with matilde and unwieldy. I could ask Oskari about this to release it officially(however I doubt Oskari would allow this one).

https://xlutop.com/buzz/buzz.png
https://xlutop.com/buzz/renoise.png
Hi polac,
please ask Oskari! :)

Thank you!
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I like in this buzz.png how you can see all in one view, sequencer, pattern editor, and some parameters on the right. Is this a special view in latest buzz or can we have this also in buze 0.5.9 or buze 0.8.9?

From what I understood from those pictures you created a wrapper for buzz generators for vsti. But did you create a special version for Matilde so you get the wavetables, or did your software do this automatically, somehow? I am guessing, you programmed a special new variant of Matilde tracker?

Btw. my workarounds as a kind of Matilde replacement for hackey trackey in Reaper is as follows:

- offset > sample offset in Reasamplomatic 5000
- reverse > supatrigga has nice reverse feature, smartelectronix
- retrigger > livecut has nice options, smartelectronix
- the samples you can load into shortcircuit 1.1.2, Reasamplomatic5000 or sitala*.

At least something, to play with in hackey trackey.

* https://decomposer.de/sitala.html
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For those interested there is also redux vsti, which is my favourite now, when used together with hackey trackey in Reaper.
reaper + hackey trackey + redux = buzz fun outside of buzz (in best daw in my case, in Reaper)

Today I discovered, saike, released a latest Amiga filter jsfx, very cool, if you want the Amiga muffled sound in Reaper. Welcome to the oldschool. :) Thanks saike.
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bozz wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:02 pm reaper + hackey trackey + redux = buzz fun outside of buzz (in best daw in my case, in Reaper)
That Hackey Trackey looks great, shame it's LUA only or I'd be using that for almost all my programming in Ableton! Am I right in thinking redux doesn't have midi out - for me that's a bit of a show stopper...
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polac wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:01 pm I coded a buzz shell vst for private use, works also fine with matilde and unwieldy. I could ask Oskari about this to release it officially(however I doubt Oskari would allow this one).

https://xlutop.com/buzz/buzz.png
https://xlutop.com/buzz/renoise.png
Hey Polac - Did you ever hear anything from Oskari about this ? I only really need a 'Matilde VST' but obviously if other machines were possible to use that'd be amazing !
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Hey, I found this thread googling around. I've been working on a very basic sampler backend for Hackey Trackey. Consider it early alpha, so there may still be bugs.

Unfortunately, as its JFSX (and relies on some of the latest functionalities), it's REAPER only, but maybe some of you might find it useful. Also, JSFX is not the fastest language in the world, so don't expect the performance to be stellar. Interpolation is currently simple linear, but I already have code in there for hermite interpolation (though currently no toggle to turn off eco mode yet :D).

For now, I've implemented this subset of tracker FX, but more may follow: Volume, portamento up/down, glide, vibrato, panning, set offset, arpeggiator, retrigger and probability. It's currently limited to 15 channels and intended to interface with Hackey Trackey.

Given that I don't really frequent these forums anymore, suggestions / bug reports are best left on GitHub or the reaper forums.

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More info can be found here: https://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php?p ... tcount=440
And here: https://github.com/JoepVanlier/Hackey-Trackey

Happy trackin' :dance:
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Hey Polac - Did you ever hear anything from Oskari about this ? I only really need a 'Matilde VST' but obviously if other machines were possible to use that'd be amazing !
Never asked him, my guess he wouldn't answer if I did. ;)
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It should be a matter of raise money enough to buy a license to use the dsp library, isn't it?
Oskari used to sell that 20 years ago at an affordable price of... 1200€? 1000?
Anyway, it's just something only oskari is able to answer.
Oh... And i can remember testing something similar some years ago, but it was very buggy.
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Don't know if he still sells the license, and then we had to raise enough money. My wrappers should be more stable and more comfortable than the old wrappers from Arguru(i think it was coded by him). They already can be run inside of Buzz through the vst loaders if you want to test.
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polac wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:20 pm Don't know if he still sells the license, and then we had to raise enough money. My wrappers should be more stable and more comfortable than the old wrappers from Arguru(i think it was coded by him). They already can be run inside of Buzz through the vst loaders if you want to test.
Some of the old Buzz users started 25 years ago. Most of us have job, children, car, homes... a stable Buzz vst wrapper for about... 50-100€/head? That would be an affordable amount of money for more than 1000 plug-ins.
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