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Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:13 pm
by HerrFornit
Hey temporalsounds,
perhaps the down clocking under full processing is important, too. Thermal design and so on ....
(My Haswell is undervolted
)
I'm sill not sure what BUZZ really does with all that cores .... (up to 64 for new AMD Desktop CPUs)
You know that in Q4/2020 Ryzen 4000 will come with another plus of 15% Instructions per cycle.
I bought my system 2013 and after 10 years it will be 2023 perhaps looking for a new system, with DDR5 then. I think every 10 years is ok, if I need, considering the climate change
Looks like you have upgraded your Ivy bridge system with a new graphic card and more... (?)
Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:41 am
by temporalsounds
HerrFornit wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:13 pm
I bought my system 2013 and after 10 years it will be 2023 perhaps looking for a new system, with DDR5 then. I think every 10 years is ok, if I need, considering the climate change
Looks like you have upgraded your Ivy bridge system with a new graphic card and more... (?)
I think,that Buzz uses only real cores,not logical.But I'm not sure!!
I bought my system about Q4 2012 I think.Then I upgraded with more RAM and GPU later ,about 2018 ? I remember ,everybody were mining bitcoins,ethereum etc. at that time...
Too much energy consumption
I'm not fan about it.Considering the climatic changes too, like you.
Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:59 pm
by HerrFornit
temporalsounds wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:41 am
I think,that Buzz uses only real cores,not logical.But I'm not sure!!
you might be right. Heavy load: BUZZ-CPU-Monitor 70-85% !,
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Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:57 pm
by temporalsounds
I have different results now.I'm confused a bit.
Set up core parking to: 100 % ,same like you.Other Quick CPU setting : default,as I installed Quick CPU app half an hour ago.
I tested with 96khz sample rate and with many VST plugins.EDIT : Other app closed before test,including web browser.
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Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:05 pm
by temporalsounds
EDIT:
I have these setting in Buzz:
Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:31 am
by HerrFornit
Interesting difference. Perhaps it's because we have different BIOS/UEFI settings? BTW: My System is undervolted -0.12 V offset, but that's probably not the reason. Perhaps HyperThreading setting ... I have to look. Its' insecure with that dammed Intel processors, side chain attack and so on ...
My BUZZ preferences are the same except MachineDelayCompensation is "true" here.
Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:50 am
by temporalsounds
Ah yes,I have read about vulnerabilities about CPUs Intel architecture.Either way,I have HyperThreading turning on ,in bios setup.
I think,the attacker or hacker must be or have physically access to your computer to use this ,or steal data.But who knows...
I'm not an expert in this. (
https://meltdownattack.com)
I flashed my BIOS three days ago again with old 2013 UEFI file(latest),because my motherboard and system starts to be weird behavior.
I wasn't be able to install Windows on SSD disk.Strange..
Thank you HerrFornit for good tips about performance testing Buzz
Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:33 pm
by HerrFornit
You are right, I probability is very low to become a victim by side channel attacks...
thanx for the link.
Anyway, I checked my bios, hyperthreating is enabled. Recently my Win10 got a microcode update perhaps that has an influence. A few patches further and my CPU is a lame turtle.
Edit: doing a full system virus scan now. All 8 cores are fully on! hm?
Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:39 pm
by boombaxx
Went for ryzen 3700x big improvement over the i5
Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:34 pm
by HerrFornit
hi boombaxx,
ah good. Can you run more machines now (without glitches etc) ?
thanx!
Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:25 pm
by boombaxx
Whats glitches i think i have forgotten about them even at the lowest latency settings still fine even at 32bit 44100. Kontakt used to grind my cpu into dust. Now it,s no problem. I did however find i have been sold a faulty motherboard where 2 ram slots do not work. When i tried to upgrade the ram. Out of warranty doh. Still 16g is no bad could get 32. Do you really need all that when i started on buzz i had 512mb and a celeron 400. Wish i had what i have now then. With something like the ryzen 7 you could add buzz machines till the cows come home and still get nowhere close to overloading the cpu. It would be in the 10,s of thousands. I still have 4 cores unused because of the 12 core limitation in buzz. Who would have thought all those years ago 12 cores would be a limitation
Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:36 am
by temporalsounds
boombaxx wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:25 pm
With something like the ryzen 7 you could add buzz machines till the cows come home and still get nowhere close to overloading the cpu.
Moving to Ryzen from i7 (IvyBridge) soon too...
Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:30 pm
by mridlen
Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:15 am
by Candle
I've been using the UMC404HD for a few years now. Love it.
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Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:06 am
by HerrFornit
boombaxx wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:25 pm
Whats glitches i think i have forgotten about them even at the lowest latency settings still fine even at 32bit 44100. Kontakt used to grind my cpu into dust. Now it,s no problem. I did however find i have been sold a faulty motherboard where 2 ram slots do not work. When i tried to upgrade the ram. Out of warranty doh. Still 16g is no bad could get 32. Do you really need all that when i started on buzz i had 512mb and a celeron 400. Wish i had what i have now then. With something like the ryzen 7 you could add buzz machines till the cows come home and still get nowhere close to overloading the cpu. It would be in the 10,s of thousands. I still have 4 cores unused because of the 12 core limitation in buzz. Who would have thought all those years ago 12 cores would be a limitation
Hey OSKARI Give us more cores, please!
thanx!
temporalsounds wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:36 am
Moving to Ryzen from i7 (IvyBridge) soon too...
You bought a 3700X? cool.
I wait for DDR5 and ZEN4, perhaps
Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:55 pm
by temporalsounds
HerrFornit wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:06 am
Hey OSKARI Give us more cores, please!
I think ,Oskari is thinking about it now
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You bought a 3700X?
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Yes,I decided for this CPU finally.My employer bought it for me (new one, not used)for excellent price.Under €250.
Good ,isn't it.
I'm building new system exactly same like mridlen in pieces. I'm calculating to finish it about Christmas time .
Missing tower case and PSU. Thinking about Be Quiet! PSU again.
Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:53 pm
by HerrFornit
temporalsounds wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:55 pm
Yes,I decided for this CPU finally.My employer bought it for me (new one, not used)for excellent price.Under €250.
Good ,isn't it.
I'm building new system exactly same like mridlen in pieces. I'm calculating to finish it about Christmas time .
Missing tower case and PSU. Thinking about Be Quiet! PSU again.
yeah, good price.
By the way, what is you motherboard? Did you look for latencies? (if possible). When I have build my PC I didn't care for latencies making music with it those days. Today I think it is perhaps a bit a bottleneck. Don't know enough about I/O stuff, lanes and so on.
BeQuiet! is definitely quality product. I have seasonic, no problems with it.
Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:21 am
by temporalsounds
If you mean DPC ,no I didn't look for latencies in this case.
Anyway, the next problem will be maybe in PCIe >to PCI legacy adapter.Not sure, how it will runs. Latencies ,compatibility etc etc
If there will be problem in Win10, I'll everything move to children's PC , they will need it for online school lessons.
Motherboard is Gigabyte B450 Aorus M (older chipset with no support PCIe gen.4),nevermind.
RAM : Patriot Viper Steel series 16GB 3200
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Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:42 am
by HerrFornit
perhaps with an internal sound card it is not a big problem. Is it old?
I have external USB audio device. Perhaps more complicated with I/O chipsets. Dont know how to predict latencies by hardware. DPCdat and LatencyMon you can use only when it is finished.
Re: AMD Rysen worth it
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:38 pm
by Joachip
In the rare cases where I run out of CPU, the scenario is always the same: One plugin eating up 1 core (and thus giving choppy playback), and all the other cores are doing pretty much nothing.
This means I already have enough cores, but I need a CPU with a faster single-threaded performance!
So when buying a new CPU for audio, that's what I would go for: Fastest single threaded floating point performance.