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Re: Flickering drop-down menus in PVST & 64-bit VST2 plugins

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:52 pm
by Joachip
Glad I was able to help. I'll be looking forward build 37. :dance:

Re: Flickering drop-down menus in PVST & 64-bit VST2 plugins

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:16 pm
by polac
Coming this weekend. :)

Re: Flickering drop-down menus in PVST & 64-bit VST2 plugins

Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:06 pm
by rav
oooh, sweet - that was really frustrating :)

Could you look also at support of midi sent by VST3 plugins, please? I think it is not working at all right now :(

Re: Flickering drop-down menus in PVST & 64-bit VST2 plugins

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:22 am
by mcbpete
IT WOORRRKKKSSSSSS. Thank you so much Polac - was only a little quirk in my workflow but now being quirk-free has definitely sped things up for me :) :dance:

Re: Flickering drop-down menus in PVST & 64-bit VST2 plugins

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:12 pm
by River Cricket
Thanks, Polac!

It looks like pVST (no i) hasn't been updated, though, so VST effects still require the dreaded workaround - can confirm that VST instruments work fine though.

Re: Flickering drop-down menus in PVST & 64-bit VST2 plugins

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:38 am
by Joachip
That's odd. I just deleted my Buzz folder and did a clean install and then installed PVST build 37 there.

I still get the same flickering menus.

What am I missing?

Re: Flickering drop-down menus in PVST & 64-bit VST2 plugins

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:09 pm
by mcbpete
Are both instruments and effects still flickering for you? As River Cricket mentions above, it seems like the VST instrument side of things has been fixed (at least for JUCE built plugins) but not for VST effects.

Re: Flickering drop-down menus in PVST & 64-bit VST2 plugins

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:49 pm
by Joachip
I just decided to compare an older build with the latest, so I picked build 34, and then tried DiscoDSP OB-XD 1.5 (VST2):

32-bit version doesn't flicker.
64-bit version flickers.

This happens with both PVST 34 and 37.
I cannot tell the difference between build 34 and 37 when it comes to this issue.

Re: Flickering drop-down menus in PVST & 64-bit VST2 plugins

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:48 am
by mcbpete
Joachip wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:49 pm
and then tried DiscoDSP OB-XD 1.5 (VST2)
Wait ... you're right. I'd been using the TAL 64bit instruments as my testbed but just tried OBXD (Windows 64bit/vst2 build) and the preset menu doesn't appear at all/flickers super quickly so you barely see it. In this instance I know that it definitely uses JUCE as the framework (as a challenge I wanted to see if I could compile the VST from the github source)

Re: Flickering drop-down menus in PVST & 64-bit VST2 plugins

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:35 am
by River Cricket
mcbpete wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:48 am
Joachip wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:49 pm
and then tried DiscoDSP OB-XD 1.5 (VST2)
Wait ... you're right. I'd been using the TAL 64bit instruments as my testbed but just tried OBXD (Windows 64bit/vst2 build) and the preset menu doesn't appear at all/flickers super quickly so you barely see it. In this instance I know that it definitely uses JUCE as the framework (as a challenge I wanted to see if I could compile the VST from the github source)
There's some issues on the new version which I went into here.

Short version is that now all the machines that used to require checking the "Prevent Focus Stealing" option now lose focus as soon as you click any GUI element, regardless of whether "Prevent Focus Stealing" is checked.

Dexed is another synth which uses JUCE that also loses focus - I uninstalled b37, so can't confirm if the popup menus work properly or not.

Re: Flickering drop-down menus in PVST & 64-bit VST2 plugins

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:45 pm
by Joachip
I have never experienced the focus stealing problem, which I believe is a completely separate issue.

This thread is only about the flickering (visible on the video in the first post).

Re: Flickering drop-down menus in PVST & 64-bit VST2 plugins

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:01 pm
by UNZ
i have this flickering in many other win32 apps since the latest windows update, even in stuff like notepad's search dialog etc.. I think it's a windows issue.. something changed..

Re: Flickering drop-down menus in PVST & 64-bit VST2 plugins

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:02 am
by River Cricket
UNZ wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:01 pm
i have this flickering in many other win32 apps since the latest windows update, even in stuff like notepad's search dialog etc.. I think it's a windows issue.. something changed..
I saw Herr's video and I've actually been noticing it in Chrome even without Buzz running. I'm still on Windows 7, so maybe this is actually a Chrome issue and not a WinTen bug?

Re: Flickering drop-down menus in PVST & 64-bit VST2 plugins

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:16 am
by nathansnider
River Cricket wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:02 am
UNZ wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:01 pm
i have this flickering in many other win32 apps since the latest windows update, even in stuff like notepad's search dialog etc.. I think it's a windows issue.. something changed..
I saw Herr's video and I've actually been noticing it in Chrome even without Buzz running. I'm still on Windows 7, so maybe this is actually a Chrome issue and not a WinTen bug?
I'm also on Windows 7, and Chrome has been popping up to the top for me too lately. I think it just started doing this a few weeks ago.

Re: Flickering drop-down menus in PVST & 64-bit VST2 plugins

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:24 am
by HerrFornit
The pop into front focus stealing also happens with windows file explorer. It appears only when I am working in buzz with certain vst plugins. SO here it seems an interaction problem between VSTs and perhaps Win(10). Maybe graphic card driver ...