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New Buzz doesn't show the splash screen for me when booting up like it did in the old Buzz, is there a way to enable it? Not really a big deal but I do miss seeing it.

I was missing it too - until I recently upgraded my hardware.
Buzz needs 5 secs over here on 1st start now.
I do like splash screens when a program needs a long time to load.

Hmmm I've been wondering if it's because I'm using Windows XP that Buzz is taking so long to boot up? The machine parameter windows also take a while to open after clicking especially the more complex synths that have a ton of parameters like Fuzzpillz Cheese.

mes wrote:Hmmm I've been wondering if it's because I'm using Windows XP that Buzz is taking so long to boot up?

Well. I don't think that XP is the reason. Maybe your PC is to slow or something's wrong with your sound config. Try changing audio driver (Direct Sound, ASIO, Polac ASIO etc.)

mes wrote:Hmmm I've been wondering if it's because I'm using Windows XP that Buzz is taking so long to boot up? The machine parameter windows also take a while to open after clicking especially the more complex synths that have a ton of parameters like Fuzzpillz Cheese.

i had this problem until i switched to win7. i think it has something to do with the NGEN thingy not working with xp.

mes wrote:Hmmm I've been wondering if it's because I'm using Windows XP that Buzz is taking so long to boot up? The machine parameter windows also take a while to open after clicking especially the more complex synths that have a ton of parameters like Fuzzpillz Cheese.

Check amount of memory occupied by Buzz - maybe there is your answer.

szaszhareen wrote:

mes wrote:Hmmm I've been wondering if it's because I'm using Windows XP that Buzz is taking so long to boot up? The machine parameter windows also take a while to open after clicking especially the more complex synths that have a ton of parameters like Fuzzpillz Cheese.

i had this problem until i switched to win7. i think it has something to do with the NGEN thingy not working with xp.

Yea, I'm pretty sure this is the problem..

mes wrote:

szaszhareen wrote:

mes wrote:Hmmm I've been wondering if it's because I'm using Windows XP that Buzz is taking so long to boot up? The machine parameter windows also take a while to open after clicking especially the more complex synths that have a ton of parameters like Fuzzpillz Cheese.

i had this problem until i switched to win7. i think it has something to do with the NGEN thingy not working with xp.

Yea, I'm pretty sure this is the problem..

Well, no!
I am using XP (SP3) for a long time until now and its working flawless for me. Boots up in 6 seconds. And it handles that NGEN thingy perfect.
It all depends on computers strength. Mine is about 5 years old, but it has still enough power (AMD Athlon 3200+ 2GHz). You need a stronger machine!

P.S.: Is your .NET Framework 4 Client Profile correctly installed? Mine got somehow messed up (my human error, of course) one day, I reinstalled it.

Yeah NGen definitely works on XP (it creates machine specific images so the apps actually boot quicker), it's apps compiled using .NET that cause things to load slowly on some machines (Including mine) - you'll find the same delay on first boot if you use other .NET apps as well (e.g. Paint.net)

Klangkulisse wrote: I am using XP (SP3) for a long time until now and its working flawless for me. Boots up in 6 seconds. And it handles that NGEN thingy perfect.
It all depends on computers strength. Mine is about 5 years old, but it has still enough power (AMD Athlon 3200+ 2GHz). You need a stronger machine!

I'm curious, how long does the presets dropdown menu take to open after you click it? I remember when oskari switched to .NET it took about 2 seconds (!) to open that dropdown box. That's a LONG time to open a fucking menu. My machine was an AthlonXP 2600+.

peacemaker wrote:

Klangkulisse wrote: I am using XP (SP3) for a long time until now and its working flawless for me. Boots up in 6 seconds. And it handles that NGEN thingy perfect.
It all depends on computers strength. Mine is about 5 years old, but it has still enough power (AMD Athlon 3200+ 2GHz). You need a stronger machine!

I'm curious, how long does the presets dropdown menu take to open after you click it? I remember when oskari switched to .NET it took about 2 seconds (!) to open that dropdown box. That's a LONG time to open a fucking menu. My machine was an AthlonXP 2600+.

0 seconds

peacemaker wrote:

Klangkulisse wrote: I am using XP (SP3) for a long time until now and its working flawless for me. Boots up in 6 seconds. And it handles that NGEN thingy perfect.
It all depends on computers strength. Mine is about 5 years old, but it has still enough power (AMD Athlon 3200+ 2GHz). You need a stronger machine!

I'm curious, how long does the presets dropdown menu take to open after you click it? I remember when oskari switched to .NET it took about 2 seconds (!) to open that dropdown box. That's a LONG time to open a fucking menu. My machine was an AthlonXP 2600+.

0.0 seconds

There must be something wrong with your machine. May be you should reinstall your whole system. 2 seconds = eternity

Made me look
0.000000000000000000000000000000000001 sec over here

Yeah it's pretty much instant on my 6 year old Lappy too (Athlon 64 3700+). Booting however is another issue, but that's to be expected on a machine of this age.

What would be great is for the boot screen to be just the debug console (or maybe just the bottom line of the console along with the buzz logo) - that way you can see exactly where it's hanging/slow on load, plus you can see that it's actually doing something.

would be nice if stuff like loading dialogs or the splashscreen were also part of the BuzzGUI.
you could have random splashscreens and/or a progressbar.
but i guess we have more important things to implement.

New Buzz is slow to boot (several seconds) because it appears to load, check some stuff and then unload each machine/dll in its subdirs. Old Buzz which starts in a fraction of a second appears to only enumerate the machines/dlls. (according to what I can see with Sysinternal Filemon)

Solution to get the new buzz to load fast: deleting several hundred of useless/obsolete machines.

this is the "worst case" when i start Buzz on WIN7 64bit / core i7 notebook (from SSD) after a fresh reboot :

00:00 [Startup] Buzz build 1409 (MI_VERSION 56)
00:02 [Startup] Load 'BuzzGUI.dll'
00:02 [Startup] Load 'avrt.dll'
00:02 [Engine] Using 4 threads in multithreaded mode
...
00:03 [GUI] Create toolbar
00:03 [GUI] Create parameter window
00:03 [GUI] Create machine view
00:04 [GUI] Create wavetable view
00:04 [GUI] Create sequence editor
...
00:05 [MM] Add DLL '7900s ECB48'
00:05 [MM] Add DLL '7900s Pearl Drum'
00:05 [MM] Add DLL '7900s XY Controller'
...
00:05 [MM] Add DLL '11-Delay v1.1 (Stereo)'
00:05 [MM] Add DLL '11-Delay v1.1'
00:05 [MM] Add DLL '11-Delay v1.15 (Stereo)'
...
00:06 [MM] LoadLibrary 'E:\production\Buzz\Gear\Generators\Polac VSTi 1.1.dll'
00:06 [MM] [Polac VSTi 1.1] CLibInterface::GetInstrumentList
00:11 [MM] [Polac VSTi 1.1] AddInstrument 'MIDI/Internal MIDI '
...
00:11 [MM] LoadLibrary 'E:\production\Buzz\Gear\Generators\Jeskola Pattern XP.dll'
00:11 [MM] LoadLibrary 'E:\production\Buzz\Gear\Generators\Jeskola Pianoroll.dll'
00:12 [Startup] Read Wave Tree
00:12 [Startup] Initialize MIDI Input
00:12 [Startup] Finished
...

As you can see it takes 5 seconds to check the installed VSTs.
the native machines dont take up that much time even i got hundreds of them.

After quitting and restarting Buzz it looks like this:

00:03 [Startup] Finished

So when it comes to removing machines you probably should check which VSTs you really use.

If you disable 'Autoscan On Startup' in pvsti it takes almost no time.

This is what I get using the debug build of buzz, which is not as fast as the build you have:

00:01 [Startup] Finished

(and it includes the loading time of a bmx at I'm using for debugging too)

Well if you'd remove all your vsts, it'd still take 7 secs to load which is still a lot of time, and that, you'll be able to cut it down only by removing machines I believe.

7 secs is more or less how long a new buzz cold start is here with 1462 dlls in the gear dir of which only 81 are in the vst dir. Polac vst dx scan takes a bit of time for fetching dlls that are elsewhere on the disks and the high level of fragmentation of the standard 7200 rpm disk it's all on probably doesn't help.

This with a new buzz which doesn't use dotnet, version 1131 which is the most recent I can run (with some hacks) on my Win ME system and CPU is an AMD Opteron 154 2.8Ghz.

I'd love to have it start faster but removing machines isn't really an option unfortunately as it may prevent loading of an unforeseen number of old bmx files so I guess I'll have to live with it as is.

Btw, the option for the splash screen should be under the View/Options menu if this has not been found by now.

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